Georgia’s Plan to Legalize Medical Marijuana

Georgia’s Plan to Legalize Medical Marijuana

ATLANTA, GA — With Illinois Governor Pat Quinn signing legislation Thursday making Illinois the 20th state in the nation to legalize medical marijuana, activists in Georgia say they want to be the next state to consider reform legislation, and have published a report on how to achieve their goals.

James Bell, director for Georgia Campaign for Access, Reform & Education (Georgia C.A.R.E.), said Georgia is ready to consider historic legislation allowing for medical marijuana.

In a seven page report entitled “A Guide to Enacting Medical Marijuana in Georgia,” Georgia CARE outlines the steps the southern state must take to remove criminal penalties, allow doctors to recommend therapeutic use and provide for a legal and safe source of medical marijuana.

“We believe the people of Georgia will support our efforts to allow patients with serious medical conditions to use marijuana under doctor’s supervision. We’re ready to take our plan to state lawmakers”, Bell said.  “In 1980, Georgia was one of the first states in the nation to pass a compassionate medical marijuana law. We believe Georgia lawmakers are no less compassionate today. We should not treat patients like criminals.”

From the report: Four key principles for effective Georgia medical marijuana laws

  1. Define what is a legitimate medical use of marijuana by requiring a person who seeks legal protection to (a) have a medical condition that is sufficiently serious or debilitating, and (b) have the approval of his or her medical practitioner;
  2. Avoid provisions that would require physicians or government employees to violate federal law in order for patients to legally use medical marijuana;
  3. Provide at least one of the following means of obtaining marijuana, preferably all three: (a) permit patients to cultivate their own marijuana; (b) permit primary caregivers to cultivate marijuana on behalf of patients; and (c) authorize nongovernmental organizations to cultivate and distribute marijuana to patients and their primary caregivers.
  4. Implement a series of sensible restrictions, such as prohibiting patients and providers from possessing large quantities of marijuana, prohibiting driving while under the influence of marijuana, and so forth.

Georgia CARE is working with a diverse coalition of groups and individuals dedicated to educating the public, media and legislators concerning the medical marijuana issue, and is seeking legislative sponsorship for the 2014 legislative session.

The group is also hosting a symposium on Cannabis Therapeutics at EmoryUniversity in January 2014.

For more information about sensible marijuana reform in Georgia, visit  www.gacareproject.com.

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  • iamnotafraidanymore

    well number 2 is simple & will save the most in bureaucracy expenses, risks, red tape, and police or governmental resources. It is time to acknowledge an evolution of the the worlds understanding about Cannabis. Cannabis is a plant, let people grow it freely with realistic zoning codes just like tomato’s for red sauce or grapes for wine. Cannabis has a multitude of uses & yes it is even healthy when used properly. I’m not talking about smoking.

  • ineverwasafraid

    Georgia, NICE! Look folks, we are at 20 states now! We are literally a handful of years away, or less, from having HALF the nation be at least medical. Wow.

    • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

      Since Georgia is at the bottom of the stupid half, expect it to be a very long time.

      • woodyherman

        José, I lived in New York, Dc, LA, San Francisco, Wichita, little Rock, dallas, pittsburgh, St. Louis, Kansas City and finally retired in GA.
        Of all the places I lived this is a state with good schools and extremely involved parents, it also a state with the number 1 party school UGA, and too many transplants not to have this work it’s way through.
        Too many people see Ga as either Augusta which is across the river from SC or atlanta downtown. Atlanta is the HUB for SE business and is a location of many educated or normal baby boomers who grew up smoking the weed in the 70’s.

        • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

          Georgia has a lot of things going for it like Pinewood Studios moving in, but the Christian Taliban camped out in the capitol building in Atlanta will scream at the top of their lungs if any politician tries to legalize pot.

          • slay

            Jose you sound very ignorant. what dumb state are you from?

          • wowFAD

            Careful, slay. He’s just going to accuse *you* of being *me* for not agreeing with him.

          • USpolicestate

            I agree with you Jose. A lot of good that old 1980 compassionate use of marijuana law has
            done anyone busted in GA since 1980 on either possession or cultivation
            charges. Basically symbolic and that’s it. I grew up in Bibb County
            about an hour drive below ATL. GA is one of the worst states in the
            bible belt to get arrested for any type of marijuana related charge.The
            Southern Baptist Convention originated in Augusta and the old fashioned
            ultra traditional southern political hierarchy of southern judges,
            prosecutors,public officials ,all GA -LEO dept’s , the state senate and
            house along with the mighty huge influence of the Southern Baptists are
            going to resort to anything they can to keep legalization from happening
            in that state, even for medical reasons.

            This was the
            state in 2008 that outlawed the sale of Pot sounding candy to minors.
            The candy called Kronic candy and Pot Suckers.Legalization will
            eventually spread to all states because there will come a time soon when
            so many states have legalized it that the southern states will face an
            overwhelming demand that marijuana be legalized.Imagine 44 states have
            legalized marijuana and GA is one of the 6 that is still sending people
            to prison along with 5 other southern states over marijuana. This
            scenario is about what and when you can expect GA laws to change on
            marijuana. The southern political hierarchy is going to hold onto reefer
            madness laws until right before the Apocalypse. One of the reasons why I
            moved out of that state and I’ll NEVER move back, not even to visit and
            I lived there for 33 years. I know all to well how the southern
            political mind works when it comes to
            traditions,fear-mongering,prejudices, corruption , good ol boy
            networking,anti-progression, bible thumping hypocrisy, and overall
            backward thinking.

            I don’t know if GA will be THE LAST,
            but certainly one of the very last that gets medical or recreational
            pot bills passed.I still theorize that it’ll be somewhere between the
            last 6-8 states that will still have no medical or recreational use
            bills when all the other 42-44 states have preceded in changing their marijuana laws.Georgians need not get their hope up anytime soon on getting the herb laws changed there.

          • Nick

            Very well said USpolicestate . I live about an hour below Bibb in Laurens county. I agree with you completely. It will be a long time before this state will pass laws because of it being right in the middle of the bible belt. Don’t get me wrong, I believe in God, however, I have no objections to the use of medical marijuana or any marijuana for that matter.

            People were raised to believe that marijuana is bad, so ergo, it should never be used in any form.

            Example: My grandpa lived in pain most of his life a depended on opioids for pain relief. I got him some marijuana to try one time. He tried it and told me that it relieved his pain completely. I asked my grandmother how she would feel about him smoking it if it gave him “complete” pain relief. Very selfishly, she refused to allow it even if it did help him. She never knew that I got it for him.

            Nick

          • fred

            Do you have any facts to back that or are you just talking out of your ass?

          • Hadley Thackston

            being from atlanta myself I think the people screaming for legalization outnumber the ones that dont

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Georgia effectively legalized medical marijuana by putting state law over federal law in denying same sex benefits to the Georgia National Guard.

            Georgia had been saying that federal marijuana law trumps their state medical marijuana law passed many years ago.

            Georgia obviously forgot about this little detail when they decided to put state law over federal law like all the other states with legal marijuana.

            They cannot have it both ways.

          • fred

            Maybe 20 years ago this statement would have been true, but Christians especially this generation of them have a mind of their own, i’m a pot smoking christian. That statement is hateful and degrading and probably a reflection of your own ignorance. The real issue is misinformation and Ignorance of the benefits of Medical Marijuana, Georgia historically has lived by a certain code and has not been what some may consider a “free thinking” state. Eventually that stubborn thought process will pass on and change will come. If it weren’t for organizations like CARE we probably would be the last state in the Union to see reform as we are the hub of the Bible belt, which we typically are the last to see any change as far as legislation, not because of stubbornness but because the decisions our capital makes affect more than just a local economy (we have to get it right the first time). Thank goodness the only people “screaming” here are the anti-prohibitionist, the “Christian Taliban” is too busy feeding and clothing the homeless to be concerned. Thank you Georgia Care keep fighting the good fight.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            As you ponder further on whether my statement is hateful and degrading, consider that Jesus Christ was crucified for distribution of a controlled substance called holy oil, the ancient form of marijuana oil.

            Further consider that the Vatican swapped Satan for God with what is known as the “Smoke of Satan” where holy oil smoke is demonized and the prohibition that killed Jesus is praised.

            No, it is the Christian Taliban that you blindly follow that will turn on you in a heartbeat for your marijuana smoking. All it takes is one Judas in your church to destroy your life.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            The Christians running Georgia from the State Capitol think we’re still in the 1980s which is about 20 years ago.

          • Will_I_am

            You’re comparing Christians to a group of people who justify murdering innocent, non-combatant, women and children?

            Labels are for simple minded folk.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Yes, the same Christians who would crucify Jesus Christ in the second coming for distribution of a controlled substance called holy oil, the ancient form of marijuana oil.

        • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

          If you want a reference for a party school, try UCSB (Santa Barbara.)

          • woodyherman

            José I graduated from Ohio University in the other Athens, in Ohio.
            This is where all party schools are compared to.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I don’t picture Ohio as being marijuana friendly. Alcohol is good for headaches and not good for studying.

      • letmehldit

        GA was actually the FIRST to address Medical Marijuana in 1980. So watch what you say and know what you are saying. It is looking like the next session could be the time to take it up again. It has only been addressed in 1980.

        • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

          If you look at the title of this article you will see that Georgia is trying to do something that they have already done.

          That basically keeps them on the stupid list.

          • fred

            This happens in every state thousands of times a year with different legislation, that comment keeps you on the stupid list.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            It’s a shame that people who know how to read are considered stupid, but what else would you expect in Georgia?

      • Jacobb Chapman

        Texas will be the last State since they rarely follow other States and believe they can become their Country.

        • Paul

          I don’t know, Alabama still has dry county’s they might be last. It’ll be close.

          • Kilo42

            Alabama almost passed a bill to legalize like Colorado and Washington state this year. Tennessee is trying to. Florida wants to but it’s legislators are blocking attempts.

      • nanernose

        You are seeing a reflection of your on mind!

        • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

          Peachy!

          • nanernose

            D A. Do you know what that stands for?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            When it comes to pot enforcement I would say district attorney. For you I would say something else.

          • nanernose

            There are two other words for DA that doesn’t stand for district attorney and you fit that perfectly.

  • pothead

    I feel a case of gaulcoma coming on

    • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

      Rewarding sick people is a dumb idea. There is no longer a need for medical marijuana since there is more than adequate evidence to disprove government’s proclamation of no medical benefit which was recently climaxed by Sanjay Gupta.

      The two options we have now are outright legalization for recreational use or for religious use. Setting up the CARE Drug Cartel is a waste of time and resources.

  • Xakkar

    Come on GA!! This depression, anxiety and back pain is getting old…

    • nanernose

      How old are you? Have you ever done any physical labor in your life? I was a brick mason over 30 years. I wore my back out till it broke my back in two places. After two back surgeries and 12 years of pain meds, I had to stop taking them because of too many side effects. I could not go to the bathroom. Went to hospital for shot to go. Got a prescription for the shots but insurance stopped the shots. Now I lay in bed all day because of pain. Have you ever really experienced real pain before? Don’t talk about things you know nothing about.

      • Bob Tommas

        I feel ya man. I have seizures and just now in October had brain surgery to have it removed. The entire time before it helped me if i could get to it when i started to feel one coming (aura) or i was high the entire time and never had a seizure. It also helped me eat because my medicine makes me not hungry. Having to deal with the stress of having an illegal thing on me was just another thing having to deal with because if i had it on me and had a seizure BOOM i was in an ambulance and they found it. Just like when i was in college one day and woke up outside class from the teacher dragging me out so class could “resume” (ambulance guy was cool and didn’t say anything)… Make it for medical use first, then go from there

        • nanernose

          Isn’t it funny the government will approve opiates that are so powerful and used to make several illegal drugs and yet people like you and I who have legitimate reasons to at least try a less problematic drug with far less dangerous side effects try marijuana. There will be people abuse this drug and it will become a problem for law enforcement but it already is. If I bought some illegally the FBI swat team would catch me. That’s just my luck. So in the mean time I lay here and suffer. It’s people like the fellow above us here that are so in the dark about people like you and I. I pray that he never goes through what you and I are going through. PS If someone told to a dog turd would lessen my pain without any side effects I would break out the knife and fork.

          • nanernose

            This site is dedicated to the ongoing childish argument between Jose and wowFAD ranging from A to Z subject matter. If you are wanting a logical discussion on marijuana you may have to go to another site. I would bet these two would have to range in age somewhere between 12 and 22, you know, still pooping green but knows everything from picking peanuts to brain surgery and probably sit in a cubical all day with no life experience.

      • Alec Floyd

        You dumb nosey fuck, just cuz you got it worse than others doesn’t mean others don’t have back pains too, they may not be as bad as you’re poor pussy self but still unpleasant, and this guy didn’t even give a reason, you don’t know shit, so get back to your bed and mind your own damn business

        • nanernose

          You need to go back to your drugs because surely didn’t read anything on this post. You need to get your ball and go home. You of all people wouldn’t make a pimple on my butt.

          • Alec Floyd

            You need to go back to your drugs, mind your own business and realize you were the dumb ass in the first place for lifting with your back, now shut the fuck up and take your self pity to a place of isolation, cuz to be honest we don’t care how long you did what or how bad your back is, they guy you harped on didn’t go into detail and was probably mocking the post, either way you were an asshole without a real cause other than self pity, so seriously go back to your crib grab your bottle and take a nap

          • nanernose

            Judging from your words I would bet you are not even a man but a 12 year old girl sitting around with your other little girl friends trying to get a rise out of somebody. Like I said why don’t you take your little ball and go home and learn some more four letter words.

          • Alec Floyd

            Even if that were true at least women would want to be around me, unlike you because the last things girl
            Needs is another pussy

          • nanernose

            Do me a favor and print this page. One day maybe when you grow up and read what you have written years from now you may be able to see how much you have grown up. You have no wisdom. I’ll not waste any more of our time trying to teach you something you are not able to learn right now, that will take time and experience. I’m 62 and still have much to learn but you aren’t there yet. Good luck, you’ll need it.

          • Alec Floyd

            I wouldn’t be bragging about your age, and maybe today you can learn to keep your problems to yourself and quit comparing, cuz you know what. Someone some where has it worse than even you nannernose

          • nanernose

            I rest my case. Good Luck.

          • Brett

            Well, if pot were legal, I believe we wouldn’t see as much pointless bickering. We all have hardships and differences of opinions. Instead of pointing-out who had it worse or who is immature, we should respect each other’s views so long as they do not infringe upon our own individual freedom. If you don’t like someone’s statement, don’t give it credence. If you don’t like their opinion, simply form/maintain your own – it’s the beauty of being free people. Whether for back pain, mental illness, spiritual experience or pleasure, the government has overstepped its authority in denying an individual’s natural right to use a plant however he deems appropriate. Hopefully, our Georgia representatives will take a stance to ensure that we can choose our own destiny without the oversight of a nanny-state. Let’s not fight guys. Everything great in this country came from a united populous that was hell-bent on being free men.

          • Fuckthatguy

            I agree with this dude. Granted my first post was one of negativity, I allowed myself a 12 year olds reply.(Not that it is justified) But really, this online back and forth? that will show the government marijuana smokers can be adults. lol interpret this statement how you will, but we need to come together

          • Antonio Taylor

            I feel the same way, on the up side, no matter how dumb this may sound…i read Mary J. actually helps with asthma weird much? It says it does the exact opposite of what smoking a tobacco do. I was surprised. I kept reading an it also says it only works if you dont smoke alot, but im down to experiment

          • Trevor

            You. You are awesome. It is people like you that make me hold an interest in being sociable, because you never know when you’ll meet someone like you. Everything you said in this post… I love it. I LOVE YOU.

          • Lucy

            Very good answer. It does not need to be decriminalized as much as prohibition of it needs to be lifted. Making it “legal” with certain conditions is only going to make the cost go up :-(….and it has so many other useful properties that it would be a great resource for many things, as it once was. Before the prohibition of marijuana, the colonies were actually ordered to grow it for all of the resources that could be gleaned from the plant — medication for multiple diseases and conditions, paper, fabric, rope, essential oils,etc. It is nothing more than a useful weed that God himself put on this earth. Much less dangerous, I might add, than the pharmaceuticals we’re having stuffed down our throats to alleviate diseases and conditions as they are man-made and not natural chemicals. Imagine the damage that’s doing to your body! Look at statistics of deaths and/or complications from man-made pharmaceuticals. I say unprohibit it for use as desired.

          • Will_I_am

            Your “case”? Uh-huh….sounds like you’re resting your sorry @ss to me…in bed all day crying about back pain.

            Man up and take the pain, a real warrior doesn’t complain of physical discomfort….but total pussy’s do.

          • Will_I_am

            Wait wait wait…..YOU are telling me to “grow up”? The guy who launched a tyrad of whining and crying about back pain to a complete stranger?

            LOL, oh the irony!

      • DDDowney

        Wow, you’re a dick.

      • Gino Parathemmakill

        Dude you’re a dick. You just ranted at someone for no reason than to complain about how you assume your problems are worse than his. He didn’t even go into detail. Pain is pain and Cannabis is a great remedy for it.

        • nanernose

          The first line on this forum is a guy complaining about people complaining about depression, anxiety, and back pain. My first post under his is me complaining about his statement. I don’t think I have problems worse than his. How could I know? I am saying I support cannabis because most people can’t take pain meds long term. I don’t understand why you don’t understand that and all the other people on here. You said I just ranted at someone for no reason. Did you read the first line on this page? I think the guy complaining about people with depression and back pain is a dick. He sounded like a person without any thought about others. I came to this site hoping there would be new laws about cannabis for a lot of people like me. I thought there would be more people on here looking for help passing the law for Georgia. If I seemed pissed off in my first post, I was and still am. If you all don’t understand that you all can kiss my ass.

          • imaredditumbler

            what about people who suffer from serious depression anxiety and sever back pain and can’t take medication either? I am young only 26 but I’ve suffered major back pains my whole life due to my torso growing too quickly. The pain on a day to day basis is mild to me now but never the less constantly there, this doesn’t discredit my condition and nor does it trivialize yours. I think he was making a generalized comment about what problems of his it could fix and admittedly your comment did come off rather aggressive at first read.

          • justaman

            nanernose, You have a strange way of agreeing with people.

          • TerminatahX

            Obviously you smoke garbage, because you are way to uptight. lightenup.

      • dennis

        ive been on anti psychotic meds for skitzophrenia before the meds I had no thoughts of suicide i have been to the mental hospital five times the meds made it worse i need this to come through i cant go back to taking those meds again and plus i gained almost 265 pounds while on those pills i hate them and don’t want to go back on them

      • John Proctor

        i farted once.

      • Will_I_am

        Shut the f*ck up and quit crying about your back pain….nobody asked you.

        You do’nt know the guy you’re talking to yet you can tell him he’s never worked in his life?

        Stop crying.

      • Fuckthatguy

        Shut the fuck up nanernose. You know nothing of this person, yet you verbally attack them. Why, because your pain is more painful than their pain? Based on what? They could have been a master mason for 31 years. But you don’t know, do you? So lets all make a 6th grade competition out of who can hurt the most. I could ramble for days on this, but in closing FUCk that guy!

      • Brian Rexroad

        I understand how laying bricks for 30 yrs can injury your back but u dnt have to b old I got folded up in a car at the age 16 done all treatments w/o surgery nothing helped so for 17 years I dealt w mine each and everyday w a wife and 4 kids my war vet of a father taught me how to deal from a young age through punishment cannabis helps me but I do expose it to my family in anyway family life keeps me busy plus it help w my bi polar just keep an open mind plz we all want the samething relief thanks

      • Xakkar

        A late reply but i am almost 37, certified CNC operator, 2 years from getting my license to be an Architect. I did construction work, stood in front of a lathe for years. I may not be a hard worker as you, but I do know pain. Physical and emotional pain. If you rather have meds to numb the pain that comes with additional side effects, that is your choice. I rather have something that the side effects does not include death.

    • Chase……

      For real! Weed is not a drug… It an herb… Ga is so stupid… People in other states obviously thing and KNOW that there are good outcomes that come with weed… And there’s nothin at all to it… They need to shit the fuck up and look at the facts! And that dude needa shut up and gtfo because we don’t give any fucks about his back that’s his problem and nobody cares! Smoke a joint and get over your self petty ass

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  • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

    Religious marijuana will be common in Georgia in a very short time. A publicity campaign is active in Gwinnett County, the devil’s playground for marijuana arrests.

    http://churchofsmoke.org

  • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

    Religious marijuana will be in Georgia soon. Google the Church of Smoke and the THC Ministry in Hawaii.

  • wowFAD

    Don’t listen to Jose. I don’t believe for a moment that Georgia is at the bottom of the stupid half, despite the fact that Georgia did not participate in the State Ratification Convention that repealed the first prohibition with the 21st amendment.
    The only idiotic thing is trying to squeeze cannabis out of religious beliefs. I’m willing to say there is a minority fraction of medical cannabis users who abuse their patient status “just to get high.” Thinking otherwise would be naive. Cannabis “for Jesus” in my opinion is something that would be abused at a significantly higher rate — people pretending they’re religious so they can legally smoke cannabis.
    It”s a joke. That’s why the leader of a “church” of cannabis in Los Angeles is a former stand-up comedian. The premise that you need to get blazed to feel closer to your imaginary friend sounds more like schizophrenia to me, not religion.
    Medical cannabis — cannabis for sick people in need, like the 6 year old in Dr Gupta’s documentary, who would suffer and die without it — is still needed in Georgia, despite what Jose says. And NO — I don’t want sick people to have to pretend they believe in Jose’s invisible sky man just to get their medicine. That’s ridiculous.

    • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

      If get to know wowfad you will find that he is an empty shell who does not understand the concept of a universal energy source. He thinks that anyone who seeks spiritual awareness is a Jeebus freak and makes fun of anyone who seeks to understand the origin of the universe.

      Georgia has had medical marijuana for a long time and the only thing standing in the way is federal law.

      Wowfad does not realize that Georgia is rooted deep in religion and the only way to way to make progress in my opinion is to correlate marijuana with godliness instead of with atheism as wowfad would prefer. From this reference, the Religious Freedom Act of 1993 does provide a defense from federal law. Until very recently, Georgia could make a compelling argument that marijuana was dangerous to society. This has largely been debunked.

      During 1920s Prohibition, the Church received an exemption for religious wine. There is no reason that religious marijuana could not be used.

      There is a court case in the Ninth Circuit in Hawaii where religious marijuana may soon prevail. If you pride yourself in being an atheist like wowfad and have no interest in seeking spiritual awareness, then by all means get sick so you can smoke marijuana.

      If you want to smoke marijuana as a tool to see the world from a different point of view while obtaining spiritual awareness, then google the Church of Smoke.

      • wowFAD

        I see — so you think the people of Georgia are too simple accept rational cannabis law reform on the scientific merits of the substance, but just stupid enough to buy this con job of yours. You’ve already exposed your true intentions: “the only way to way to make progress in my opinion is to correlate marijuana with godliness” — suggesting you started with the premise “I want to get high” and worked your way backward to “godliness” after the fact. You didn’t start with godliness and end up with cannabis, Jose. Talk about presumption!!!
        I get it, Jose. You really REALLY need to get high, and you figure using GOD is the easiest excuse for just about everything in the South. I’m afraid you’re mistaken. You should know by now that folks do not “take kindly” to having their belief systems perverted by people with ulterior motives. Ulterior motives, like, I dunno, faking piousness to justify getting blazed. I dare you to walk into any church this Sunday and try — just *try* — to convince those folks you can get them closer to their deity by getting wasted.
        They will laugh you out the front door, or drag you out the back. Given that we’ve established you’re a con man, I’m hoping it’s the latter, not the former.

        • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

          When my optometrist told me that my eyes had the hardness of someone less than half my age, I knew that smoking marijuana was good for staying healthy.

          I don’t need an excuse to smoke marijuana, all I need and provide others is a defense against people like you.

          • wowFAD

            You’ve admitted it again. You’re not even trying to make your assertions credibly. All you’re doing is looking for a post-hoc defense of your actions. That’s incredibly, inarguably disingenuous. BTW — I’m not a prohibitionist — but I’m not a LIAR, either.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Since I am in zero legal trouble at the moment, you cannot call it a post-hoc defense. I also doubt that the government has any interest in me since they would go to great lengths not set precedence.

            As I’ll say again and again, the First Amendment exists to protect religious freedom from empty shells like you.

          • wowFAD

            Uh, no, post-hoc isn’t a strictly legal term, Jose. It’s from “The Latin” and means “formulated after the fact.” Sorry, I’ll use simpler words and phrases so as not to confuse you.

            Let me know if this has too many syllables: Pretending that cannabis gets you closer to god just to get high is a LIE. Simple enough for you?

            And I’ll say again and again and again — The first amendment protects you from persecution by the GOVERNMENT, not me. Here’s a quotation you MIGHT recognize:

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
            Doesn’t say I can’t call you a con man — no protections from criticism, only protection from action by the government. You see, Jose, you’re not very smart. People who aren’t very smart shouldn’t pretend to be lawyers or constitutional scholars. I doubt you’ll have any better luck pretending to be pious. You can’t make five internet comments on the subject without betraying your real intentions — you want to get high and use religion as a convenient excuse. Anyone who reads this thread (or the other one, like RC did) can see it for themselves.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Here you go again trying to instill your atheistic views in others by calling someone’s faith a LIE.

            The use of marijuana in religious ceremony goes back thousands of years. It’s not something I formulated because I am in some kind of trouble.

          • wowFAD

            If I wanted to instill my atheistic views in others, I’d point out how an all-knowing god precludes the possibility of free will. What I did up there was point out how the 1st amendment works and that co-opting religion to justify smoking weed is a LIE that truly religious people are not going to like.
            Seriously, Jose — you can’t create a fake church as an excuse to get high. You’re making a spectacle of yourself. No one is going to join a fake church run by a con man. THAT’s the truth about Georgia and religion, my friend. No one likes a faker.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Fortunately it is not up to you to decide which religion is a lie and which one is not. It seems like a silly exercise anyways since you believe all religions are a lie.

          • wowFAD

            As I pointed out elsewhere, I may not *agree* with religious people, but at least I respect them — they have legitimate beliefs, not ulterior motives like *some* people. So while I think they’re incorrect, I don’t think they’re being dishonest. You, on the other hand, are both incorrect AND dishonest, because to you, religion is a cover to smoke weed — it has nothing to do with faith, for you. You’ll argue for the existence of god because you want to get *high* and not because you’re defending your faith.
            Were you *actually* defending your faith, you wouldn’t have resorted to the “Well what do you care, you’re atheist” defense. I might be an atheist, but I’m also an honest person.
            So despite your assertion that ethics can only come from a piece of paper or an invisible sky man, I know what you’re doing is wrong — and I arrived at that conclusion in a totally secular way. The fraud of starting a church for the sole purpose of getting high is not something I can excuse.
            If you want to smoke weed recreationally, just SAY SO. Have the courage of your convictions. Don’t make a mockery of religion just because you think it’s easier than advocating, honestly. It’s a fraud. The strength of the campaign to reform cannabis laws nationwide is that we have the truth about cannabis on our side. Your “strategy” of faking a weed church is dishonest at its core.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            It’s still not up to you to decide whether my belief is legitimate or not, unless you happen to be on the jury. That would never happen because I would dismiss you.

          • wowFAD

            Once again, your true intentions leak out. All you’re worried about is mounting a legal defense — you could care less about faith. You decry my lack of belief, while yours are built flimsily upon a pretense. An as-yet unproven, *legal* pretense that you would construe as piousness to serve your own ends. Good luck passing through the eye of the needle, Jose. I don’t think you’ll make it.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You sound like a Muslim attacking the Christians as has been done for thousands of years. Only believers in Muhammad blah blah blah.

          • wowFAD

            HAHAHAHA. Oh my — Jose, passing through the eye of the needle is from the BIBLE, not the Koran. If you’re going to fake a church, you should *at least* know that much. You do know that the “nation of Islam” isn’t actually a country, right?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Keep on whining, maybe it will actually make a difference, HAHAHA

          • wowFAD

            I’m fairly certain the difference has been made. You’re not recruiting anyone for your fraud church on this thread, pal. ;-)

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            If you choose not to use holy oil in the exercise of religion, that is your choice. Other people here may disagree with you and you have no right to speak for them.

          • wowFAD

            Uh huh — holy oil — which is why your website is “church of SMOKE”. I stand by what I said. Anyone religious or spiritual person who reads this thread is going to marvel at the atheist defending the sanctity of their faith against one (you) who would pervert it for personal ends (getting high). I think your little marketting campaign has come to a close, Pastor Cheech.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Anyone like RC who is going to change their religion because of a few paragraphs written on a weed blog has to be subjected to a sanity check, along with you for actually believing it.

          • wowFAD

            Don’t misconstrue what RC said — he said he was going to “switch sides” not “lose faith” over our argument. In other words, he agrees with what I said — that perverting religion for the sake of getting high is not cool, no matter how you slice it. If I had to guess, he doesn’t appreciate a shyster faking a church because he *does* have faith — not because he’s becoming an atheist.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            RC never answered what he meant by switching sides and you never answered whether some preacher sexually abused you as a kid. I ask again because of your use of “perverting.”

          • wowFAD

            I see you’re knees are getting weak in this argument, if you have to resort to suggesting something as paltry as that. BTW — I said “If I had to guess” because I’m well-aware he hasn’t answered you. Probably because he doesn’t want you conversing with him. Me, I revel in throwing this fraud in your face. He’s probably content watching me do it, too. ;-) You have anything of substance to defend your fraud with, or are you going to project more of your personal issues on me?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Haha, I’m just getting warmed up. Unlike you, I have yet to resort to name calling.

          • wowFAD

            Accurately describing you and your BS church as frauds — and justifying that description — isn’t name-calling. If I were going to go ad hominem (look it up), you’d know it.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You can go back and edit your posts. It would be good of you to clean them up.

          • wowFAD

            I stand by my statements, Jose. Feel free to edit your own, however. If your confidence has been so undermined that you’ve lost the conviction behind your original statements, go right ahead and make some changes your ego can live with. Frail ego, frail intellect, frail arguments. They all seem kinda related. That’s why no one is going to join your fake church, friend. No one.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I’m a nobody now, if the government tries to make a martyr out of me I’ll be famous. Either way I have a clear conscience.

          • wowFAD

            Trust me, you’re no martyr. That’s pure ego, even suggesting it. If you get arrested, you’ll get more attention dropping the soap in the shower. You’ll be convicted and sentenced without anyone taking notice. Which makes me sad. I’d love to hear about it when it happens.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            More whining, blah blah blah.

          • wowFAD

            LOL — Thanks for ceding the point to me with yet another witty “blah blah blah”.
            Have fun in prison, Pastor Cheech.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I ceded nothing, I think you are the one with wobbly knees.

          • wowFAD

            Now who’s whining? hahahaha

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You, hahaha

          • wowFAD

            Another pithy response for the record books! How about I give you permission to edit in something smarter than “you, hahaha”

          • nopenope

            Guys, guys, settle down. Your unresolved sexual tension is making me sick. Gay marriage is available in other states you know, so go get it over with and come back.

          • wowFAD

            Friend, I dig the humor, which means you might appreciate this conversation. This guy thinks he can convince a judge — a judge in the state of Georgia — that cannabis is a sacrament of his own church, despite the fact that it has not yet worked for Rastafarians. I just find it a tad disingenuous to fake a religion to skirt the law instead of making a case for legalization on the merits — the truth. Me and this other guy, Jose, disagree. And he’s almost completely abandoned his position. He’s gone from saying he’d martyr himself for his principles to admitting he’d plea bargain to avoid a jury. It’s quite a rollercoaster.

          • RC

            Hell, here we are. I found you guys on google but couldnt remember what we were posting on. Glad I found ya again…. I could just tell this was going to be fun as hell to get into with Jose and his blabbering. He isn’t for real is he? He is someone yall put up to get shit going right? Surely idots like him don’t fall from trees. It would be too much fun. :-) LOL

          • wowFAD

            Oh I don’t believe anyone put him up to it. He legitimately believes he can swindle earnestly religious people in the South into believing his “church of smoke” isn’t a complete fraud. His opinion of the people of Georgia, apparently, isn’t very high. Or rather, he thinks they have more faith than sense — a sentiment that’ll go over with the good people of Georgia like a lead balloon, just like his fake church.

          • nopenope

            Yeah, it’s definitely not going to happen. I’ve lived in GA the better part of my life and have seen how these crazy fundamentalist judges are.

            If a group was to try to incorporate cannabis with christianity, they’d call that group hedonistic satanists.

            The best approach is the long and hard track of deprogramming brainwashed minds and re-education.

          • wowFAD

            You’re absolutely right. The secret is to talk to people, honestly, and let them ask you questions that you answer in earnest. That’s the great thing about cannabis advocacy — we don’t have to lie. Most Christians in the South are *very* conservative, and the moment they feel like they’re being manipulated or deceived, they shut their ears and their minds. Faking a church would be the quickest way to *lose* them, not teach them.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I should thank you for helping me develop a set of questions for potential jurors in the unlikely event that a prosecutor is dumb enough to prosecute me.

          • wowFAD

            Given that I have your first name, your state of residence, and the URL of a website you’re connected to — I can make a few phone calls and we can test that theory.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Go ahead and try. While you’re at it, take note of the words “abuse of process” and “malicious prosecution.”

          • wowFAD

            Oh just imagine the fun — the prosecution could admit all of your posts calling the people of Georgia idiots as evidence against your “church”, especially the parts where you’re saying the only way the people of Georgia would accept cannabis reform is if it’s disingenuously tied to a church — I would give the judge a standing ovation when he hands you 5 years.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            If that comes up I’ll say that they are idiots for not standing up to federal laws and not knowing what the Tenth Amendment is about. I think I can get a pass on that.

          • wowFAD

            How funny — once again, you’ve exposed your true intentions. You’re more worried about mounting a legal defense than you are about defending your ideals. Just more proof that your ideals don’t exist, which is ironic, as this fact undermines the credibility of that legal defense.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            My true intention is to freely exercise religion as was intended by the Founding Fathers. I am here defending myself against you and your threats.

          • wowFAD

            Uh huh — anyone who reads this thread will arrive at the inarguable conclusion that you’re *using* religion as a shield from prosecution, not freely exercising religion. Your best hope is that you get an atheist judge — a Christian judge would take such offense at your presumptions about faith that he/she would prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. An atheist judge would simply convict you on the merits of your case… Defrauding the federal government is one thing, defrauding a Christian judge’s religion is another. Good luck finding a judge without faith in the Peach State, friend.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I am confident that I would prevail. It only takes one juror with reasonable doubt to debunk people like you.

          • wowFAD

            Oh really? Man-up, then. I eagerly await your pending lawsuit. Jose vs the State of Georgia. It won’t get any national coverage, but that one guy laughing at you in the courtroom — that’ll be me.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I have no intention to sue the State of Georgia. They would have to bring harm upon me and I don’t see that happening. As I said before, “malicious prosecution” and “abuse of process” are a couple thoughts to remember.

          • wowFAD

            No really. If you’re so confident in your case, the assertion that your religious freedoms are being infringed upon by the State of GA by prohibiting a substance you claim is *necessary* for the free exercise of your faith, then you have legal standing to file suit. So man-up! Have the courage of your convictions, Jose. Be the martyr you’ve deluded yourself into thinking you are. Or are you too frightened?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Only a fool would go into court if it isn’t necessary. You should know that.

          • wowFAD

            I see. You’re a coward, then. Got it. Maybe you should change the URL to “church-of-all-talk-and-no-action.org”

          • wowFAD

            No kidding! Thanks for saying your faith isn’t important enough to defend in court. I’ve been saying that for a week.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I also happen to know that a judge would be deciding and not a juror if I was to initiate it, so nice try.

          • wowFAD

            I didn’t expect you to man-up, Jose. Thanks for responding, predictably — showing you not only have no case, but you lack the spine to defend it in earnest if you can’t hedge all your hopes upon a hung jury. Only you could misconstrue reliance upon jury nullification as something that lends credence to your fake church. ;-) But let’s not be coy — you’re not going to initiate because you know you’d lose, not because you won’t get a jury. You’d have to prove your church isn’t a fraud if you ever went to court, and given that you’ve failed to do that here, you’d fail even worse in a courtroom. It’s amusing that you’re all talk, no action. Doesn’t say much for your fake church, though — that you won’t go to bat for its central (its only) tenet — getting blazed for Jesus. Such a laugh!

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            The difference is convincing one juror in a jury or convincing a judge. I prefer the scenario where I prevail.

          • wowFAD

            LOL. And again, we arrive at the heart of the matter. Not defending your faith, but keeping yourself out of jail — the true goal. Do I have to walk you through it, once again, why you’ve already guaranteed that’s impossible? Fine — one more time. The posts on this thread that prove you’re more concerned with the legality of your “church” than defending the core beliefs of your “church” — it will be clear to anyone, judge or jury, that your faith is a fraud. Once that’s established, you’ll lose.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I’m here defending against your whining. What do you really want?

          • wowFAD

            I want cannabis legalization on the honest merits — not the con-job you’re trying to sell people.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You want cannabis for sick people, and I want cannabis for spiritual development. You can go your way and I will go my way.

            If someone wants to use marijuana for spiritual development, they can claim that they are a member of the Church of Smoke. There is no guarantee that the government won’t persecute them but that is a risk that they and their lawyers can decide for themselves.

            If someone wants to use marijuana to help them through an illness, they are going to have to wait for an unspecified period of time.

          • wowFAD

            You do understand that you’re still advertising this “church of smoke” as a legal workaround — not a legitimate faith or system of belief. The fact that you’re marketing your “church” in the context of a COURTROOM DEFENSE robs your “church” of any legitimacy as a religion, and therefor your “church” won’t do anyone any good with regards to its singular purpose — to keep Jose (and anyone else stupid enough to buy your nonsense) out of jail. It will not work. You’ve been arguing for a legal defense, not a religious belief. That, alone, shows your church is a fraud.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I am not offering any legal advice. I make it clear that people should seek the advice of an attorney. If someone wants an established church that uses marijuana they can become a Rastafarian. If all I wanted was a legal reason to smoke marijuana, that’s what I would be.

          • wowFAD

            I didn’t say you were offering advice, Jose. Scroll up and read my comment, again — slowly, this time. I was explaining how the true purpose of your fraudulent church would ultimately undermine that purpose — which is to keep you out of jail. But while we’re on the subject, I have no doubt that you would pretend to be Rastafarian if you thought you could get away with it.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            People of GUAM, Petitioner, v. Benny Toves GUERRERO

            “This Court will not involve itself in the mental task of finding it legal for one to possess marijuana, but then be prevented from having any reasonable means to acquire it.”

          • wowFAD

            Boy, it sure is a shame that case involved five ounces of cannabis — far more than a single person would need for a religious sacrament. That’s why the court ruled against Benny. It’s funny that you didn’t uncover that in your extensive research. It’s also funny you didn’t read the rest of the assenting opinion, which held that only churches with established histories of cannabis use, like Rastafarianism, has any hope of mounting such a defense. Likewise, a recent convert to Rastafarianism cannot make a credible “personal sacrament” defense — which explains why you’re not rocking they dreadlocks. Looks like your hopes are dashed either way, Jose. I guess you’re going to have to stop lying to people.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            We will see how the THC Ministry does in the Ninth Circuit. The judge already ruled that Roger Christie is sincere.

          • wowFAD

            I can’t speak to his sincerity. Yours, however, has been ground to dust and cast to the wind. His case sets the precedent that the SINCERITY of the church is paramount. You lack sincerity, so even if Mr Christie is acquitted, it doesn’t help you in the least. As we’ve established, over and over and over again — the inarguable purpose of your church is to be a legal workaround to skirt Georgia’s cannabis prohibition, and is not a legitimate faith. Wait with baited breath for the THC Ministry’s ruling, if you want — it won’t make one tiny bit of difference for you, as your church is less sincere than Pasta-farianism.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Now I’m getting tired of repeating myself. It’s not your decision to decide whether I am sincere or not. Let’s wait to see what happens with the THC Ministry. If Christie loses, maybe I move to Colorado. If he wins, marijuana will be legal nationally for religious use.

          • wowFAD

            Hahaha. Uh, no, If he wins, he avoids jail. Nothing happens to/for you. Like I said, and I’m saying again — because you keep forcing me to repeat myself, as well — you are not sincere. Your church is a fraud. That’s objectively true. If you thought you could prove otherwise, you wouldn’t wait to be arrested, hoping for a hung jury. You’d file suit and rely upon the legitimacy of your arguments and the SINCERITY of your church. You have neither, so you won’t ever develop the spine necessary to defend yourself in court. Even if you were arrested tomorrow — you’d plea bargain to avoid jail. You wouldn’t stand up for your “church” — jury, or no jury.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Sure I would plea bargain. I would plead guilty to a broken tail light and pay a $50 fine. I know how it works.

          • wowFAD

            LOLOLOL. Oh. My. Gawd. Did you, quite literally, drop your ENTIRE argument just now??? You’ve been saying time and time again that you’d take it to jury to rely upon one juror to buy your nonsense — and now you’re changing your story???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!! Wow. So, just to make sure we’re on the same page — you’ve been arguing for hours and hours to make a case for your church as a viable legal defense — that you have no intention of using, because you have less confidence in your chances THAN I DO. That’s priceless!!! If your church isn’t a real religion, and if it isn’t a real defense, is it anything other than a website? LOLOL. Don’t ever change, Jose. Stay just the way you are.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You don’t get it. I would plea bargain to a non marijuana charge so that the police could say that they didn’t screw up and I would be happy that they’re leaving me alone.

          • wowFAD

            Riiight. Want me to quote the comment in which you were INVITING an arrest so that you could, how did you put it — make yourself into a MARTYR? Your convictions are even more flimsy than I thought. It seems like I’ve done some good if the fraud of your church is starting to sink in. My work here is done.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You didn’t do anything other than to show what a pathetic person you are. The only fraud is your atheistic view that believers of established religions are sincere but too stupid to know any better, and sprouts of new religion are insincere.

          • wowFAD

            Keep projecting, Jose. Want an example of a pathetic person? Someone who lacks the courage of their convictions. Or someone who contradicts oneself, several times, in a single day. Or someone who gets knocked down from their delusions of grandeur. You’ve gone from declaring yourself a martyr for your fake church to a broken tail light plea bargain. Keep telling yourself you’d cop out to avoid the “hassle” — is that what Jesus would do? LOL. I think Jesus had more courage than that. ;-) Come on, Jose! What happened to the guy who said “I am confident that I would prevail. It only takes one juror with reasonable doubt to debunk people like you.” Seems to me you no longer believe your church — your case — is strong enough to instill reasonable doubt in one person, let alone cut any legitimate constitutional muster. What a joke!!! You’ve been a terrible disappointment. Better get that tail light fixed, precious. It’s been a real pleasure ripping down your delusions.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            The delusion is you believing that I must go to court in order to establish some kind of credibility. The police have a difficult job and they make mistakes. If all I have to do is plead guilty to a broken tail light I would break the tail light myself.

          • wowFAD

            Haha. Not even close. I didn’t say you had to go to court to establish credibility — I said the fact that you won’t go to court proves you don’t have any credibility. Or rather, that you don’t have any confidence in the strength of your arguments or the sincerity of your “church.” Need I remind you, again, about all that bluster you were showing just a few hours ago, Mister Martyr? Seriously, what happened? Did your “sacrament” finally wear off?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Going to court is a last resort not to mention I don’t even have a parking ticket to fight.

          • wowFAD

            One of my favorites: “I am confident that I would prevail. It only takes one juror with reasonable doubt to debunk people like you.” Another good one: “If that comes up I’ll say that they are idiots for not standing up to federal laws and not knowing what the Tenth Amendment is about. I think I can get a pass on that.” Where’s that fire, Jose? If it only takes a few hours of rational arguments to change your mind, how can you possibly hope to convince others that your fake church is real?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Right now there is no fire, that is the point.

            What kind of credibility is there when an atheist likes you goes around doing a chicken little sky is falling and by the way there is someone that I suspect with a fake church. Can you imagine how ridiculous you sound?

          • wowFAD

            I’m sure you intended that to make some sort of metaphorical sense — you do know chicken little was a story, not just a Disney film, right? — The point is, I’m defending the integrity of *actual* religions that aren’t just pretending to exist to claim an illicit substance is a holy sacrament. Doesn’t make it incredible, just makes it ironic. Well, not really — you see, it turns out atheists know more about world religions than religious people do, including their own. So it’s no shock that I’ve needled out the true purpose of your “church,” to your chagrin. It is nothing more than inelegant legal workaround — that’s how you’ve been justifying it — which will not hold up in court. And you know it — you’ve pulled a complete 180 because you’ve lost confidence in your *OWN* argument. Need we rehash your transformation from Mr Martyr to Mr Tail-light? I don’t think that’s necessary.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            The only 180 is you going from a little credibility to no credibility, or maybe it would be more accurate to call it a 179.

          • wowFAD

            Jose, did you — did you even go to school? Should I pretend that made sense, or do you need me to teach you basic geometry? Let’s just act as if it made sense — that somehow I’ve *lost* credibility. LOL… How, exactly? You’ve yet to contradict me or point out how I’ve contradicted myself; not even once. However, *your* position in this conversation has been as fluid as the diarrhea that comprises your argument. I can’t remember, are you going to martyr yourself or plea bargain? You’ve gone from grand-standing yourself as a *religious warrior* to a paltry broken tail light and a $50 fine. That’s quite a fall. Indicates you don’t buy your argument anymore.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            If there is a point to anything you just wrote, please indicate what it is.

          • wowFAD

            Certainly. You’ve abandoned your position. That’s the point. Thanks for playing.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            The only thing that was ripped was your credibility. I’m sure you have lost the respect of many here on this board.

          • wowFAD

            Dude, I’ve only made about 200 comments, and half of them were tonight. If I have some sort of reputation on this board, I can live without it! LOL — I’m just glad this took place somewhere I can come back to read again and again, just for the entertainment value of watching you go from self-aggrandizing religious martyr to a $50 citation to “avoid the hassle.” Such a remarkable transformation — like a 179 LOLOL.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Go ahead and whine some more, it isn’t going to change anything.

          • wowFAD

            I’m gloating, not whining. ;-D

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I’m not surprised, nor is anyone else.

          • wowFAD

            I wouldn’t think it would be surprising. I’m only gloating like this, having defeated your fake church argument *soundly*. No surprise there, as that’s what happened. Both tail lights working?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            If you defeated anything, it was something in your mind. When you wake up tomorrow, nothing will have changed.

          • wowFAD

            That’s where you’re right — nobody is going to join your BS church — which will still be the status-quo, tomorrow. Looking forward to the next time you try this nonsense. ;-)

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You still don’t get it. Unlike Roger Christie and the THC Ministry, I have no profit. Any donations go directly to the Red Cross. I get nothing from anyone who wants to “join.”

          • wowFAD

            Except validation. Which isn’t something anyone should let you have.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You have given me plenty of validation by your persistent attention.

          • wowFAD

            Actually, it’s the opposite. I broke your argument, Mr Martyr. You abandoned it, and it’s awesome you actually saw it through to the lovely, tail-light ending.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Yet here you are still trying to invalidate me.

          • wowFAD

            Invalidate? No, no. I’m still gloating.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Gloating over yourself. No one goes to court if they can walk away with a simple infraction. Anyone with experience would know that.

          • wowFAD

            “If that comes up I’ll say that they are idiots for not standing up to federal laws and not knowing what the Tenth Amendment is about. I think I can get a pass on that.” Yup, you’re quite the holy warrior. I just can’t decide whether or not you’ve lost interest in your own martyrdom because you were, should we say, “sacramented” earlier today, or if you’re “sacramented” right now.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Did karma strike back while you were gloating? That’s the way it works.

          • wowFAD

            I’m sorry, did you not get spanked sufficiently the first time? You really wanna do it again, precious? To answer your question, no, everything has been pretty awesome — pray harder, maybe I’ll get struck by lightning or run out of milk before my cereal is full. LOL.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I was just checking to see how karma was treating you.

          • wowFAD

            Hahahaha. Keep praying to your impotent god. Maybe I’ll run out of coffee filters.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Unlike you I believe in win-win scenarios. The police and courts have a difficult job. The concept of a plea bargain is for everyone to walk away happy. If all it takes is to pay a $50 fine to go on with life, it is a bargain. The only joke is you carrying on with motives that I am struggling to understand, but I will keep trying.

          • wowFAD

            Want me to quote you a little more? The way you *were* talking, you were going to proselytize the courtroom or MARTYR yourself, trying!!! Yes, martyr. That’s the word you used. Now you’re backtracking so fast, you’re leaving skid marks.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            .

          • wowFAD

            On the contrary, you’ve been struggling with that task for a week. And it’s not atheists you need to worry about. It’s people of faith who are going to take your fraud as a personal affrontation (like RC) — not me.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            If I dismiss atheists I’ll be sure to avoid people like you.

          • wowFAD

            Surely. And like I said, it’s not atheists you need to worry about. It’s the people of faith you need to worry about — those who don’t take kindly to having their beliefs perverted by a con man with ulterior motives.

    • Jacobb Chapman

      I think it should be legal for recreational use in ALL states, but obviously with regulations. Such as no one wonder 21 can buy or smoke it(I think this is the law in Washington) and you can only possess a certain amount unless if you’re growing it and can’t be under the influence of it while driving or operating other machinery. I think we need to release Inmates who were convicted of drug possession or distribution and use prison for people who are violent, such as murderers, rapists, child abusers, etc. This will save taxpayers billions of dollars. We need to treat drug addiction(except for marijuana of course) as a health issue rather than a crime. The State should at least offer some kind of treatment program. I’d rather have my tax dollars spent on rehabilitation for drug users in a medical facility where treatment will be less than 30 days(sometimes longer) than spent on incarcerating drug users in prison for 30 years. At least my tax dollars are being used to help someone.

  • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

    Government will be more receptive to outright legalization if religious marijuana allows Roger Christie of the THC Ministry to go free. The last thing the government wants is a religious revival of a new group church goers telling the government where to stuff it.

    • RC

      Jose, damn man, I am all for “toke til your broke” But brotha, you have hit the bong one too many times……. LOL I am enjoying reading your posts, just laughing so hard to comment on most. wowFAD is doing a great job so I will let him keep on cause he is doing a fine job. At least he can see that I am not just seeing things and that you are in fact in dire need of some serious mental help LOLOL……..

      • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

        RC, your writing style looks the same as wowfad, most likely you are one and the same.

        As is the case with wowfad, you lack any substance in your post. It consists of nothing but gloating, name calling, and an attempt to discredit.

        • RC

          I can assure you that we are different people. Of course people like you believe what you want anyway so whatever. Good luck with your church of grass or whatever it is.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You have to admit that it seems a bit dubious that you would switch your faith from Christian to the atheist view that wowfad has based on a few posts at a blog on weed. Good luck with the dual identity.

          • RC

            It was a joke . I am still very much Christian and I am sure wowFAD is still very much atheist. It was an attack on you that your post was so bad that it made me want to change my views to be best buds with wowFAD but I see you cant take a joke. Everyone else here did though… LMAO..

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Well you had wowfad fooled with your “joke” though it’s probably easy to fool yourself.

          • wowFAD

            Is your assertion here that there is a *single* individual behind both accounts? Jeez, Jose — that is the absolute definition of a paranoid delusion. Do you always assume there are two accounts when two people on the internet don’t agree with you? If a third person pops up and tells you you’re a con man, is that going to be *me* as well? I’m not RC. No offense to RC, but using *you’re* and *your* interchangeably is a personal pet-peeve that makes me cringe — and that’s just one example of the stylistic differences between us. My comments don’t resemble RC’s in any way, except that we BOTH disagree with you. So very sorry you have to resort to paranoid delusions to rationalize your way out of being WRONG. Lo and behold! An actual Christian doesn’t like the idea of your fake church — just like I said. Feel free to cry conspiracy, even though it isn’t true. It won’t change the fact that your church is a fraud, and nobody, regardless of faith, is going to believe it’s the least bit sincere. So keep reaching for those rationalizations — everyone who has ever disagreed with the concept of your BS church of smoke is the *same* person, no doubt located in a remote part of the Nevada desert known as AREA 51.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            An assertion assumes certainty, I only indicated a high probability. The timing, the writing style, and the silliness of switching sides is classic of two IDs for the same user.

          • wowFAD

            The timing, huh? Then explain why, if both accounts are *me*, “we” didn’t gang up on you at any point. The fact that you are more comfortable with the idea doesn’t indicate “a high probability” that it’s true. You’re grasping at straws, pal. Classic of two IDs for the same user — how many times do you THINK something like that has happened to you? PARANOID DELUSION, Jose. Fact is, RC and I (yes, two separate people) are laughing at you twice as hard because, not only did you lose the argument, handily — the only way you can cope with that loss is to assume a one-person conspiracy that doesn’t fit the facts. What’s more likely, Jose? Is the umpire taking bribes, or does your team simply suck at baseball? You’ve been entertaining, but now, I’m starting to legitimately pity you. I won the argument — I made you abandoned your position of martyrdom, Lt. Tail-light — and I did so without RC’s help. Now, your feelings are hurt, your dignity taken, maybe you shed a few tears, and your mind is scrambling to preserve the shambles of your ruined ego — so your brain concocts an unsubstantiated theory that RC and I are the same person, despite the fact that RC didn’t help me defeat your arguments, not even once. That, Jose, is pitiful. Absolutely pitiful.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            The idea of Christianity is that Jesus put himself on the cross as a martyr so that I do not need to put myself on the cross as a martyr Calling me delusional because I don’t want to be a martyr shows your extreme lack of understanding what some religion is all about, but that is not surprising from the atheist that you profess to be.

          • wowFAD

            You need to work on your reading comprehension. I didn’t say you’re delusional because you’re *claiming* to be religious. I said you’re delusional because you think RC and I are the same person. I also said you’re *PITIFUL* because you went from saying “If the government tries to make a martyr out of me I’ll be famous” to “I’ll plea-bargain a broken tail-light.” Learn to read.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            If you read through your posts, you made a lot of claims. Until you prove that you are not the same person as RC, I’ll give you the same benefit of the doubt that you have given me.

          • wowFAD

            Sure thing, sparky. How does one person prove he *isn’t* two people, exactly? Do I supply you my name and address — and RC’s??? LOLOL. Use a little common sense. What proof *would* convince you I’m just one person? Riiight — none. Because that’s what delusions are to delusional people — inalienable non-facts that no amount of evidence, reasoning, or common sense can overturn.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I’m sure your atheist arguments coming out of a prosecutor’s mouth can convince some of the jurors, but not all of them.

          • wowFAD

            Still waiting for the criteria you need me to supply, Matlock. Tell me again about the “legal papers” that didn’t serve any purpose you can describe in English.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You had wowfad (ie: yourself) fooled with your “joke.”

            I don’t know what you think is so funny. You’re the one without a legal defense.

  • confused

    I cant believe their are 122 commnts. OMG!!!!!!!!!

    • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

      Medical marijuana is for the most part a con job since a small percentage of patients actually need marijuana in the manner it is intended. The majority will find a sympathetic doctor to bend the rules or patients will fake the needed sympthoms.

      Another approach that is no less of a con job than medical marijuana is to use the Religious Freedom Act of 1993 passed by Congress and signed by the President to use marijuana as a religious sacrament.

      While only a small percentage of people may be actual “true believers” and not some part of a “fake church” it is not up to the government to decide what is fake or not.

      If there was a meter that could read the sincerity of a member of a Presbyterian Church, how many of them would be found “fake?”

      There was a religious revival during 1920s Prohibition when an exception for wine was made. Was there a meter to measure whether someone going to church to drink wine was fake? The answer was “no” then and it is still “no” now.

      • wowFAD

        Don’t believe, Jose — he’s still butt-hurt that no one is going to join his fake church. Not only does he have zero evidence to substantiate his claim that *most* patients are faking, he’s wrong about it not being up to the government to decide what is fake or not.
        You see, if you’re foolish enough to fake a church to mount a legal defense, judging the sincerity and legitimacy of that church is *precisely* up to the government to decide. Thinking otherwise is simply naive.
        BTW — wine *is* an established sacrament for a Christianity (circa “water to wine”) which is why the exception was made, not because a bunch of fakers got a *wink-wink* from Johnny Law.

  • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

    If someone is really sick and has a legitimate need for marijuana, is there a compelling reason not to combine smoking marijuana with a healing prayer? If the need is legitimate, even an atheist should be willing to give it a try.

    There is a defense to use marijuana under the Religious Freedom Defense Act of 1993.

    If I was a lawyer today in Georgia, I would see more potential using a religious marijuana defense than a medical marijuana defense. My strategy would look something like this:

    1. Demand an immediate trial.

    2. Object to every delay, even if the lawyer gets in a car wreck or the defendant gets beat up in prison. Have a lawyer on standby ready to go.

    3. Plea bargain only to an infraction.
    4. Under no circumstances accept any form of probation.
    5. File lawsuit for “abuse of process” and “malicious prosecution” in the amount of $10,000 for each day the prosecution incarcerates the defendant.
    6. Seek judicial relief under section 3(c) of RFRA.
    7. Seek attorney fees under section 4(a) of RFRA.
    8. Request a jury trial under section 3(c) of RFRA which refers to Article III of the US Constitution.
    9. Put section 2(a)(1-5) on an overhead viewer for the jury to see while convincing one or more jurors to steadfastly stand up to an overbearing government that has gone to far.

    • wowFAD

      Uh, no, an atheist would not be willing to give it a try because atheists don’t believe in god.
      BTW — everyone should be aware of the last time this “defense” was attempted in Guam, by a Rastafarian. The assenting opinion of the court made three things perfectly clear.
      1. Mounting a personal sacrament defense would only work for a member of an ESTABLISHED religion with a HISTORY of using cannabis as a religious sacrament. Which means you can’t simply start your own “church of smoke” and expect anyone to take your fake religion seriously, least of all a COURT ROOM.
      2. Mounting a personal sacrament defense would only work for a LONG STANDING member of a religion with an established history of using cannabis as a religious sacrament. Which means you can’t simply convert to Rastafarianism for the legal convenience.
      3. Mounting a personal sacrament defense would only work for a long standing member of a religion with an establsihed history of using cannabis as a religious sacrament if the AMOUNT of cannabis in question is a PERSONAL amount — which is why the Guam case was lost — the defendant had over five ounces, far more than is reasonably considred a “personal” amount.
      So no, there is no viable legal defense in pretending your religion demands using cannabis.

      • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

        A truly sick person may find it silly to say a prayer while they’re smoking pot, but it isn’t going to cause irreparable damage if they do.

        Whether or not the defense would work depends on only one juror.

        • wowFAD

          One juror? I thought you were hoping for a broken tail-light.
          Just for the convenience of anyone who doesn’t wish to sift through over 100 comments, you should know Jose is advocating for a legal defense that he, himself, doesn’t have the spine to try.
          Within the depths of this argument, Jose abandoned his argument, saying he’d instead plea bargain for a broken tail-light — because he knows that “step 3″ (the plea bargain) precludes the other steps. When you make a plea bargain, you don’t get a jury trial. The BARGAIN in “plea bargain” entails pleading guilty to the reduced charges — no trial.
          See how these things make sense when you talk them through? LOLOL

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Refer to number three and four of my plan.

            3. Plea bargain only to an infraction.

            4. Under no circumstances accept any form of probation.

          • wowFAD

            Jose — you do realize what a PLEA BARGAIN is, right? You agree to plead guilty to reduced charges, and you do NOT go to trial. Not only are you not a martyr, you’re not a lawyer, either. Explain to the kids at home how they’re supposed to follow ANY of your brilliantly simplistic steps having SIGNED A PLEA BARGAIN.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Both sides of legal battle know to avoid court if possible. I would prefer not to go to court and not to have a jury trial any day if all it means is paying a few dollars fine with no probation (no conditions.)

            I can admit that I am imperfect.

          • wowFAD

            Indeed. And in so doing, your nine steps are reduced to three:
            1. Take the deal.
            2. Pay your fine.
            3. Go home.
            There’s no lawsuit, no religious freedom defense, no abuse of process. Nothing.
            And finally you’ve said something we can agree on — you’re quite imperfect. And incorrect. And obviously learning-impaired if you think there’s a trial with a jury if you take a plea bargain.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I modified the original post to be clear, thanks for helping me to improve the written form of my plan.

            (If #3 and #4 fail, continue to #5)

          • wowFAD

            Hahaha. If you’re going to correct EVERY comment in which you got something wrong, you’re going to be editing for quite a while.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I added something to the plan to make it clearer. I don’t want to be over presumptuous and “assume” what most people would know to be obvious.

          • wowFAD

            Uhh — ten minutes ago, it wasn’t obvious *to you*. I had to explain it to you — three times — that a plea bargain entails pleading guilty, hence no trial, hence no jury, hence your BS about mounting a sacrament defense.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Yeah gee, pleading guilty to a non marijuana charge, oh the shame, the shame!

          • wowFAD

            Yes, it truly is something to be ashamed of, after grand-standing like you have been for the past week. Remind me, are you a martyr today, or are you Lt Tail-light?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I modified the original post to be clear, thanks for helping me to improve the written form of my plan.

            (If #3 and #4 fail, continue to #5)

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Pay a $50 fine with no conditions? Heck yeah. I have no desire to be a martyr, someone already died on the cross for that.

          • wowFAD

            Really? Five days ago you said, and I quote “I’m a nobody now, if the government tries to make a martyr out of me I’ll be famous.”
            Looks to me like you’re champing at the bit to be a martyr, Jose.

          • wowFAD

            BTW — is there a side-effect of your meds that prevents you from replying to comments in order? You’ve been jumping all over the place, randomly replying for days. Are you hoping to obfuscate the crippling loss you suffered?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            My plan is good. The only thing you could find wrong with it is trying to stay out of court. I could have added a step to try and get it dismissed, but you would be crying too much that I was changing it.

          • wowFAD

            I’d *accurately* point out how your “edits” were necessary because you don’t understand the legal system. You still don’t. Let’s ignore, for a moment, that you didn’t understand how plea bargains work. Let’s just pretend that you’ve been advocating *all along* that this legal workaround you’re advocating is supposed to be a last resort — you still have to overcome the legal precedent set by the court’s decision in the Guam case. Your church of smoke is BS, and will never EVER pass legal muster, as you’ve proven through your own words how terribly your “church” lacks sincerity as a legitimate religion. Hence, the defense would fail. All that is moot, anyway — you have A LOT of comments to change if you want to hide the fact that you abandoned your own argument.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I added a line to clarify something that I thought was obvious. If you want to help make the document work better to navigate through the legal system, I welcome your input.

            An attorney would be incompetent if she/he didn’t try to work out a sweet deal first and avoid a confrontation in court.

            The challenge as I see it is getting through the pretrial motions. If the RFRA can go before a jury, I have some level of confidence that at least one juror can read well enough to tell what it means.

            Precedence in Guam and other places isn’t going to matter to at least one juror reading the law.

          • wowFAD

            Do I really have to, once again, point out how your church doesn’t have any established religious history, and would not hold up *because* of the Guam decision, not in spite of it?
            It’s not much of a “challenge” if the challenge you’re trying to overcome is your own lack of confidence — like we establshed two days ago, you don’t have the spine to try this defense yourself, so you’re hardly credible giving other people bad advice.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I filed legal papers that were recorded over a year ago and sent notice to the Attorney General of Georgia. That entitles me to say that I have a spine and am making history.

          • wowFAD

            Legal papers, eh? Care to expound on what these “legal papers” were, exactly? Because lawyers don’t get away with doing anything in a vague way — there’s a technical term for your “legal papers,” right? What were they? What date were they filed? What purpose did they serve? Who was your notary? In fact, do you even know the name of Georgia’s AG???

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            If you can prove that you are a lawyer I will expound, otherwise you can take a hike.

          • wowFAD

            HAHAHAHA. Translation: “I didn’t file any ‘legal papers’, so I don’t have any answers.” BTW, Georgia’s AG is Sam Olens.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Yep, same AG as last year.

          • wowFAD

            LOL — Give me a minute to laugh a little bit more about your “legal papers,” Jose… Because that’s just priceless.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            And I have a federal tax ID for it too, but you probably don’t know what that is.

          • wowFAD

            That would be a number the IRS uses, not the Justice Department. Care to revise your statement about filing “legal papers” with the Attorney General that have a tax ID number for no reason?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            The reason is “for banking purposes only.” I am done educating you for the moment so if you have nothing useful to add, have the last word and say goodbye.

          • wowFAD

            Gonna go punch a pillow for making the lofty claim about “legal papers” without thinking, for a moment, that I’d ask what they were for? LOLOL — goodbye — again. Thanks for the chuckles.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            If any lawyer has a client who wants to use membership in the Church of Smoke as a defense, I will provide a certified copy.

          • wowFAD

            Hahaha. Just can’t quit me, Jose? Is that another tenet of your fake church?
            Just to, once again, sum up — there is no viable legal defense claiming to be a member of the church of smoke (as it is a fake church, with no other purpose *besides* a legal defense, and religious sincerity is necessary for a religious defense to hold up).

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            It’s no more real or fake than any other church. Exercise of religion is a personal right.

            Anyways, I can’t say it’s been fun, hopefully someone else here sees it differently than wowfad.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            It’s no more real or fake than any other church. Exercise of religion is a personal right.

            Anyways, I can’t say it’s been fun, hopefully someone else here sees it differently than wowfad.

          • wowFAD

            Uh huh — don’t hold your breath. After all, we both know anyone who disagrees with you is obviously just *me* cleverly disguised as another rational human being.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Finally you said something funny.

            I will hold my breath until the price of weed goes down.

          • wowFAD

            Hahaha — was that what those “legal papers” were for?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Maybe your atheism is the result of growing up surrounded by government controlled churches. Do a search on:

            508(c)(1)(A) (Free Churches) verses government controlled churches 501(c)(3)

          • wowFAD

            LOLOLOL. “government controlled churches” As much as I’d love to explain in detail why that’s nonsensical, I’d rather just point you at the Establishment Clause while I bite down on my laughter.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            OK, last lesson for the day. The Establishment Clause is waived when a church applies for and is granted 501(c)(3) status.

          • wowFAD

            HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Whoa. You have broken new ground in not knowing things — there is no “waiving” of the Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution. And your other mistake — believing that having 501(c)3 tax exemption status means the government CONTROLS the church — that’s just … WOW.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            As soon as they get 501(c)(3) status they are no longer allowed to engage in political activities that favor one party or the other as they become objects of the state. You will make less a fool of yourself if you stop now.

          • wowFAD

            Uh, no — that means they can LOSE their tax exempt status if they engage in political activities — no going to the pulpit and saying you’ll go to hell for voting a certain way. That’s not government control — that’s a common sense expectation. BTW — I thought you said all donations your “church” get go directly to the Red Cross — what would you need to pay taxes on, if you don’t get any donations? Just thought I’d mention it, because after looking for your church using the IRS “Exempt Organizations Select Check” app, there are no churches that are currently or have ever applied for 501(c)3 status with the word “smoke” in the title.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            A church organized under 508(c)(1)(A) can engage in political activities, tell you to vote for any candidate they want, and retain tax exempt status. Is it sinking in yet?

          • wowFAD

            Has it sunk in that you’re leaping from one section of the tax code to another for no reason? Section 501 is separate from 508 — can you not tell the difference between two numbers?? BTW – you’re being accosted by another “fake” me, below. His name (my name?) is Slay. Go ahead and accuse him of being *me* — I enjoy watching. BTW — the tax code says, and I quote, Unlike all other §501(c)(3) organizations, a church is mandatorily presumed
            (under IRC §508(c)(1)):

            a. To qualify for exemption under §501(c)(3); and

            b. Not to be a private foundation. See §509(a)(1) and also
            §170(b)(1)(a)(i) relating to deductibility of donations.

            Which means hoping to use 508(c)(1) pressumes meeting the criteria set to qualify for 501(c)(3). Those criteria set by the IRS are as follows:

            a. A distinct legal existence
            b. A recognized creed and form of worship
            c. A definite and distinct ecclesiastical government
            d. A formal code of doctrine and discipline
            e. A distinct religious history
            f. A membership not associated with any other church or denomination
            g. An organization of ordained ministers
            h. Ordained ministers selected after completing prescribed studies
            i. A literature of its own
            j. Established places of worship
            k. Regular congregations
            l. Regular religious services
            m. Sunday schools for religious instruction of the young
            n. Schools for the preparation of its ministers.
            I’m pretty sure you don’t have any of those qualifications. Class dismissed.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            If 501c3 is required, why isn’t your search on smoke turning up First Baptist Church of Smoke Bend?

          • wowFAD

            Probably because “Smoke Bend” is the town in which the church is located, not the title, genius!

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            It’s still up to a jury to decide, not you or the IRS.

          • wowFAD

            No no, as far as tax exempt status goes — it’s up to the IRS. As far as keeping you out of jail, that’s for a jury — but didn’t you say you’d plea bargain to avoid a jury? Try to be a little bit more consistent. It’s no fun if you keep contradicting yourself so frequently.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            We all know that the IRS has multiple sets of conflicting rules. Besides, I don’t take donations so I don’t have to deal with the IRS. I do have to thank you for making me more prepared in case I do run into a legal issue. I don’t see where I have contradicted myself, only you making claims of such.

          • wowFAD

            So then — I must ask — why did you bring them up?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Do you think native Indian tribes eating peyote under the RFRA have all the requirements that the IRS wants?

            now that’s funny, OK, classed dismissed, you fail.

          • wowFAD

            Yes, actually, they do. You see, the native americans who utilize peyote as a religious sacrament have all the credibility as a bonafide religion that your “church of smoke” lacks.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Where is their Sunday school and where is their school to become ordained?

          • wowFAD

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Church
            Enjoy learning what an *actual* relgion is.

          • wowFAD

            Hahaha. Just can’t quit me, Jose? Is that another tenet of your fake church?
            Just to, once again, sum up — there is no viable legal defense claiming to be a member of the church of smoke (as it is a fake church, with no other purpose *besides* a legal defense, and religious sincerity is necessary for a religious defense to hold up).

  • wowFAD

    Medical cannabis is needed in Georgia for one simple reason — there are sick people who need help, and cannabis can relieve their suffering.
    The safety and medical efficacy to treat a variety of dire medical conditions ranging from Alzheimer’s to cancer have been well-documented in numerous studies, including double-blind lab controlled clinical trials, despite what prohibitionists say.
    Recently, the documentary by Dr Gupta has caused a flurry amongst drug worriers to denounce the medical efficacy of cannabis.
    And apparently, it’s caused Jose to panic as well. Jose would say medical cannabis is a “fraud” despite 25,000 articles available on Pubmed that say otherwise, simply because he cannot defend his own, personal assertion that sick people should pretend to be members of a fraudulant church, *his* fake church, the “church of smoke” to protect themselves legally.
    I’m of the opinion that the people of Georgia will not take kindly to Jose faking a church, playing upon people of faith, using their beliefs as leverage to *hopefully* pull a fast one on the legal system, despite the fact that it will never work.
    Cannabis is medicine. That’s the take-home message. The fact that Jose mistakenly thinks disingenuously claiming to be a member of a fake church is a viable legal defense is secondary knowledge.
    Medical cannabis, decriminalization, even outright legalization for recreational purposes — these things will come to Georgia long before anyone buys into Jose’s “church”. Why? Because people in Georgia aren’t stupid, and they don’t take kindly to someone who would belittle and demean their faith by launching a fake church of weed. People who believe, people who *actually* believe in a higher power — they don’t like fakers.
    I advocate for medical cannabis because I honestly believe that sick people in need should have access — not because I think they’re fakes who need a viable legal defense to get high. That’s the important distinction the people of Georgia *ARE* smart enough to grasp, that Jose, obviously, cannot.

    • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

      Medical marijuana is a fraud in Georgia because it was passed into law 30 or so years ago and not one single person has received relief from it.

      If someone needs marijuana NOW, they can take a chance smoking marijuana and uttering a prayer that they will recover and not suffer the persecution of a government that clearly overstepped their constitutional limits.

      • wowFAD

        Just to make sure we’re on the same page — you’re saying that cannabis isn’t a viable medicine because a LAW passed in 1980 is defunct? How does that make any sense at all? If you’re saying that someone has claimed that there IS medical cannabis in Georgia — nobody has. We know this is true, seeing as how you’ve made over 100 comments on an article stipulating the PLAN TO GET medical cannabis in Georgia.
        Jose, look man — you’re a moron. I wish I could say you’re too stupid to keep up with, but unfortunately, it’s just the opposite — you’re too stupid to outpace me. You don’t even understand half of my arguments, let alone contradict them, which is why you constantly change gears to argue something else, *somewhere* else, commenting and replying in random spots. Jumping around from one argument to another, hoping to maybe slip one by me — it’s not going to happen.
        I’m not going anywhere. So you can feel free to bounce back and forth between saying you’re going to plea bargain, to saying you’re going to be a martyr, to saying you filed “legal papers” you can’t describe, to saying your church isn’t a fraud, and editing your comments afterwards. Keep it up!!! Because I’ll keep ripping down your arguments until you finally put your fist through your computer.
        Strap in for the *next* 200 comments, Jose.

        • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

          Never have I said it’s not viable medicine. That statement is just another lie you keep spreading about me. You seem to have a vendetta against me and will say anything to make your preconceived notion come true.

          At one time we needed medical marijuana to prove to the government that it does have medicinal benefits That time is gone, we all know. Now is the time to legalize it, not putz around calling me names and gloating.

          • wowFAD

            Should I go through and quote all the really REALLY nasty things you’ve said about medical cannabis? Maybe I should rehash the nonsense you’re shovelling — and you know that I will.
            And just to clear the air — the only person who has been spreading lies on this thread is you. The biggest, of course, that your church is anything but a fraudulant and ineffective legal workaround — that you have some sort of faith you’re defending.
            Pretending your church is real — that’s a lie. Saying you filed “legal papers” — another lie. Claiming you’d martyr yourself for your faith — a BIG lie, Mr Tail-light. Saying you’d call the judge and jury idiots for not understanding the 10th Amendment — yet another lie. Oh, and my favorite — claiming your church is tax exempt — another lie. Saying churches are government controlled once tax exempt — a lie of ignorance, but a lie just the same.

            Oh, and my all-time favorite lie — that you have the courage of your convictions. So far, all you’ve demonstrated is that you and your church are both frauds.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I’ll keep saying nasty things about medical marijuana. That’s different than saying it doesn’t have medicinal qualities.

            I don’t like the medical marijuana industry that is happy to have its own drug cartel and lobby against legalization.

            I am very consistent, contrary to what you want to believe.

          • wowFAD

            Oh really? So which is it? Are you going to plea bargain, or martyr yourself? Do you have 501(c)(3) or 508(1)(a), and does your church meet any of the required criteria? Have you figured out that Smoke Bend is a town where a church is located? Did you ever expound upon the PURPOSE of those “legal papers” you filed? Does your church have any tenets of faith, ministry structure, congregation, history, or meeting place?
            You’ve been consistent, alright — you’ve consistently failed to answer any of these questions, choosing instead to drop each one, ceding the points to me.
            Let’s quit dancing for a moment. Brass tacks — YOUR CHURCH IS A FRAUD — NO ONE IS GOING TO JOIN.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            1. The church is explicitly identified as a free church and explicitly identified as not 501c3.

            2. It has a federal tax ID

            3. Yes, there is a purpose
            4. Establishing tax exemption under IRS, a private corporation, is not a priority at this time.

            For the rest of it, do some research on what a free church is.

            Also know that 501c3 churches require licensed attorneys to defend themselves, free churches do not.

            The biggest fraud on this board seems to be you, trying to muscle into Georgia with your medical marijuana drug cartel.

          • wowFAD

            1. How can you “explicitly identify” something with negations? (ie, it’s not this, it’s not that) and for what purpose? Did you go on a tangent about the tax code, because, ultimately, you’ve filed ZERO paperwork?

            2. Let’s have it, then. Tell me the tax ID for your fake church, which you use to *not* pay taxes on the donations you *don’t* get. I can FIA request all the info to disambiguate your legal status.

            3. Let’s have it, then. Just tell me what your “legal papers” were for without demanding legal credentials — man-up.

            4. The IRS is not a private corporation.

            Wanna see another good quote? “Another approach that is no less of a con job than medical marijuana is to use the Religious Freedom Act of 1993 passed by Congress and signed by the President to use marijuana as a religious sacrament.”
            I can’t believe I didn’t notice you ADMITTING that your church is a con.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Your medical marijuana drug cartel is a fraud and it will not be allowed to muscle its way into Georgia.

            Your lies about me are getting more and more outrageous, it seems to be your last resort to arguing with yourself.

          • wowFAD

            Sorry, didn’t you already say that the “fraud” of medical cannabis is that it’s already in Georgia? Didn’t you need me to give you a history lesson on the Mona Taft Therepeutic Research Act of 1980?
            Oh, and since we’re talking about “lies” again, for the umpteenth time — tell me again about your “legal papers” because that was just hilarious.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I said your medical marijuana drug cartel is a fraud, can’t you tell the difference?

          • wowFAD

            Oh my — this just keeps getting funnier. Seriously, Jose — make up your mind. Is it a medicine or is it not? Because you can’t say medical cannabis is a fraud and then turn right around and say it is also a medicine.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Making a judgment on a drug cartel that want’s to monopolize the distribution of marijuana in Georgia is not the same as making a judgment on medical marijuana.

            I never said it wasn’t medicine, legalize it, just keep your drug cartel out of Georgia.

          • wowFAD

            LOLOLOLOL — You say medical cannabis should be legalized, but that it should stay out of Georgia. That’s just toooooo funny!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
            Keep your gubment hands off my medicaid! LOLOLOL

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I said the drug cartel should stay out of Georgia. Most Georgians would have no argument with that.

          • wowFAD

            Right right right — because the only drug cartel Georgia needs is yours, right?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            The medical marijuana drug cartel is becoming the biggest obstacle to outright legalization. Marijuana should be available to the sick as well as to the healthy to keep from getting sick.

          • wowFAD

            So you think anyone who advocates for sick people is a member of the “medical cannabis drug cartel,” and in a shockingly stark contradiction, you also believe sick people have every right to their medicine, but to get it, they either have to pretend they worship your invisible friend, or wait for full recreational legalization. Which tenet of your church advocates for the suffering of the sick?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I think that people who prey on sick people should stay out of Georgia. Marijuana should be available to all adults, without your monopoly drug cartel.

          • wowFAD

            You’d deny sick people access to medicine, why? To spite me? Calling medical cannabis a “drug cartel” to disparage something that can save lives is not very Christian.
            Tell me, Jose — why do you want sick people to suffer? Because you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. And what’s this fictitious monopoly you’re talking about? How would legalizing medical cannabis in any way entail a MONOPOLY? Do you know what that word means?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Right now, where can Georgians go to get medical marijuana? The only reason you want to muscle in with medical marijuana is to prevent legalization so you can have your drug cartel monopoly.

          • wowFAD

            What monopoly? You still haven’t said what this mysterious thing is. Do you legitimtely hold the mistaken belief that there is SUCH A THING as the medical cannabis drug cartel? You do know what a cartel is, right?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Which drug cartel are you trying to push into Georgia, Canna Care?

            It’s probably safe to bet it’s not the Obama Choom Gang Drug Cartel.

          • wowFAD

            Please send all relevant correspondence to PO Box 3011

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            If you have to send money, send it to the Red Cross.

          • wowFAD

            Hmm. You’ve gotten quiet, Jose. Maybe I’ll give Don a call. That’ll help me pass the time.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You got a little quiet on the Canna Care, is that your drug cartel you’re trying to muscle into Georgia?

          • wowFAD

            Oh indeed, and we’re going to be setting up shop at 165 Noble Forest Drive, in Fayetteville.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Wow, you sure are smart.

          • wowFAD

            That makes one of us, Donald. You jealous of the neighbor’s pool?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Isn’t there a law against what you’re doing?

          • wowFAD

            LOL — no, there isn’t. Even if there was — who are you going to report for doing it? HAHAHAHAHA

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I seem to recall a case where someone posted an address of someone they didn’t really know and ended up in a lot of legal trouble. You would be quite easy to find, people here seem to know who you are.

          • wowFAD

            LOL — good luck with that, Donald. Just keep googling “wowFAD” over and over and over and over —- in the meantime, I think I’ll go get some dinner to celebrate finally shutting you up.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            All you did was show you what kind of person you are. Don’t expect me to shut up while you try to muscle your way into Georgia with your drug cartel.

          • wowFAD

            Sure thing, Donald — I’m going to step out for a bit. Don’t worry about those noises; I’m certain it’s just the wind.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            As I said, you’ve made it clear to everyone the kind of person you are.

          • wowFAD

            Whoa — I step out to grab dinner, and suddenly you’ve become INFINITELY more polite, Donald. Change of heart? Oh, I know what it is. I know who you are, but you don’t know who I am. Here, let’s make it even. My name is Vernon Keenan and I live in Cherokee County, GA. Look me up — we’ll talk.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You’re the one who’s been doing the name calling. As much as I would liked to have reciprocated, I believe I refrained from doing so.

          • wowFAD

            LOL — Oh no! You better hurry up and report me!! Be sure to give them my full name and address. Perhaps I’ll do the same. When I was looking at the GBI page, I found their tip-line. Might be time to flush your sacrament, Donald. Especially if you own that nice house you live in — I hear counties compete to see who can rake in the most in property seizures.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            If there was any doubt before, everyone knows exactly what you are.

          • wowFAD

            Keyword: ‘what’. Not ‘who’. There’s the key difference. As we all know both what AND who you are, Mr Frayer. And it seems taking away your anonimity has also taken away all your bluster. Imagine that!

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I’ll be sure to lobby against any medical marijuana drug cartel that tries to muscle its way into Georgia. I know my way around the capitol building and can help to squash the garbage.

          • wowFAD

            Wow, Donald — I’ll give you one thing, you have more pride than you do sense. And you know what the good book says, right Donald? Proverbs 16:18
            Let me say just one more thing before you’re gone — just to spite me, you’re threatening to lobby *against* sick people. That’s WHAT you are, Donald.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I’m lobbying against you preying on sick people. I’m going for full legalization.

          • wowFAD

            Sure you are, Donald. Be sure to tell your attorney that.
            Look on the bright side — you’ll finally have a chance to see whether or not that tail-light thing will work.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I’ve been in contact with no less that two attorneys. See my plan above.

          • wowFAD

            Ah yes, *the plan* — time to put that plan into action, Mr Frayer.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            The plan went into action over a year ago as I said.

          • wowFAD

            And now you get to test it.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Yeah right, you lie so much your word means nothing.

          • wowFAD

            Keep telling yourself that, Donald. But I strongly suggest you start flushing sacrament.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            No flushing here.

          • wowFAD

            :-)

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You have now committed another crime, it’s called inpersonating.

          • wowFAD

            This oughta be good — tell me what, exactly, you think a drug cartel is.

          • wowFAD

            Who is preying on sick people? You’re the one who says they should have to wait, not me. You’re the one who would let Charlotte Figgi suffer 300 seizures a week, not me. And you’re the one who is advocating a LIE (pretending to be religious, creating a fake church as a disingenuous legal workaround), not me.
            I have 25,000 studies available that say what I’m advocating is not only true, it’s needed by thousands of people. All you have is one sad little website telling people they can “fake it till they make it” even though you’ve already admitted you don’t have any confidence the fake-church defense would stand up in court.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            You should be tired of lying by now. I said the exact opposite, they should not have to wait. They can smoke and pray now. If the government comes after them they can say they were exercising their religion. If the government wants to push it try working out a plea deal where everyone is happy. If they want to declare war, go to war with a jury trial.

            It is your proposal where people have to wait. What is your timeline anyways for muscling into Georgia?

          • wowFAD

            So you’re saying they should fake religion to get their medicine, and that’s all that’s acceptable? Sorry, I’m not a sadist who would deny relief to those who need it because I need validation for my superstitions.
            Change of subject to timelines, now? Are you realizing that you’ve been both advocating that sick people should get their medicine but they should NOT get their medicine? Have you finally argued yourself into a corner that scares you so bad that you want to discuss the calendar?
            Tell ya what — I’ll go ahead and tell you, and in exchange, you can tell me what your timetable is. Right now, GA is looking for qualified physicians for the board established in the 1980 law, and also looking for legislative support to amend the act to remove the part that left it defunct: locally sourcing cannabis and not relying on the federal government to supply it. That’s the timetable.
            So what’s yours? Let me guess — it’s to google endlessly for every single INTERNET ARTICLE that pertains to Georgia and cannabis, and then spreading the URL for your fake church around, hoping someone is dumb enough to think it’s sincere. Let’s have it, Jose — what’s your timetable? What’s your next action? What are you doing for sick people other than mocking their religion?

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            Who the heck are you to say someone’s prayer is not sincere when they’re smoking pot and praying for their sickness to go away? Forget about ever setting foot in Georgia, we don’t want you.

          • wowFAD

            I’m the guy who says no one should have to FAKE RELIGION in order to heal their illness. You’re the one who is attaching this prayer condition — not me.
            And so far, the only person I can say isn’t sincere is you. You’ve posted over a dozen comments indicating you, yourself, acknowledge the fraud of your church — that it’s nothing but a paltry legal workaround, and not an actual ministry.
            You don’t have a church. You have a website.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            I never said anyone should fake, you should repent now. I said it doesn’t hurt for an atheist like you to say a prayer, it may even be answered.

          • wowFAD

            “Atheistic prayer” is as nonsensical a concept as “group solitaire.” Your failure to understand that is nothing short of AMAZING.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            It would be best not to underestimate the power of prayer. The mechanism how it works may not be understood, but most people who engage in it know that it works.

          • wowFAD

            There is no mechanism. People heal because their immune systems respond, and/or they get the proper treatment. Whispering to your imaginary friend for health is like trying to do a math problem by spitting on a wall.
            Besides, you’re not changing the subject again — tell me, without any vague notions, what you think this MONOPOLY is? Because you keep railing against it, and it doesn’t exist.

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            There is a mechanism and I believe it to be frequency related. It seems that “group solitaire” as you put it is able to tune a group of minds to the same frequency and accomplish things such as healing.

            The only thing you want to do is make fun of it, more evidence why you don’t belong in Georgia.

            What is the name of the drug cartel that you want to bring to Georgia?

          • wowFAD

            I think I’ll just ask my buddy, Don Frayer. I prayed for his phone number, and lo, it is 770 460 0159. He’s from Peachtree City, 30269. You know where that is, Jose?

          • wowFAD

            So you ARE saying medical cannabis isn’t a viable medicine, despite 25,000 studies that say otherwise. Make up your mind!!!

          • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

            1. It’s easy, something like “this church is not organized under 501c3.”

            2. Not to you, giving my tax ID would be like giving out my social security number, ain’t going to happen. I would provide it to an attorney representing a real defendant.

            3. You are losing it on this one, time for your meds.

          • wowFAD

            LOL — that’s what I thought. Your convictions are as empty as your church. Oh, right, you don’t have a meeting place. No ministry. No members. No history. Nothing but a website. Ha! Do you say prayers over the URL at night? LOLOLOL.
            I’m very-much looking forward to the next time you try marketting your fraudulant church, Jose. Have no doubt whatsoever that I’ll always be there to rip down its fake walls.

  • Mikey

    Weed is not a drug people chill and get along perfect come on really legal now

  • the suffering

    I have severe back problems. On many meds. Marijuana helps with pain, sleep, anxieties, as well with the sick feeling that the meds cause. Legalization would help, not to mention the probability to reduce the amount of meds that I take on a daily bases just to walk. We need GA to hear our cries. Please help us. We are suffering!!!

  • honeybug

    i live in georgia, and i think all states should legalize pot because it is not harmful and the WORLD has never had one single overdose on marijuana. but if you take one to many advil… well lets just say that will be your last headache. And why should we have to have a doctors approval to do what we will with a PLANT? Marijuana helps people, in my opionion, in so many ways. Even if someone is just smoking it for the hell of it, doesn’t it make you happy? And us stoners would be less parinoid if it was legal and we could enjoy our high. But thats besides the fact. Weed makes you happy and everyone feels great and is PEACEFUL. It’s not like alchol. We don’t get angry or have crazy mood swings. We arent loud and annoying. Have you ever been to a party where everyone sits around and smokes pot? how about a party where everyone drinks. If you have then you know that there is a huge difference. But the fact is that Marijuanna is ohkay. and if you don’t want to use it then thats fine, but we aren’t hurting you .

  • Ben Gazi

    to much money to be made to make it completely legal. You would have to cut thousands of jobs from probation officers to judges if it were completely legalized. They would then have to find a productive job to survive.

    • michaelbme

      If you legalize weed, then the government will save a lot of money by not imprisoning people for trivial weed related offenses, and that would more than make up for probation fines from weed “offenders”.

      • Ben Gazi

        thats so cute. We need to fill the prisons and build more.

  • Jacobb Chapman

    I live in Texas and I highly doubt our conservative politicians will follow Georgia. However, Georgia is a conservative State, like most of the South, so if they pass this law maybe their southern conservative allies will follow. As for me, I support it’s legalization for recreational use, but Texans are stupid and consider it a drug.

  • Jacobb Chapman

    I think it should be legal for recreational use in ALL states, but obviously with regulations. Such as no one under 21 can buy or smoke it(I think this is the law in Washington) and you can only possess a certain amount unless if you’re growing it and can’t be under the influence of it while driving or operating other machinery(I think this is also the law in Washington). I think we need to release Inmates who were convicted of drug possession or distribution and use prison for people who are violent, such as murderers, rapists, child abusers, etc. This will save taxpayers billions of dollars. We need to treat drug addiction(except for marijuana of course) as a health issue rather than a crime. The State should at least offer some kind of treatment program. I’d rather have my tax dollars spent on rehabilitation for drug users in a medical facility where treatment will be less than 30 days(sometimes longer) than spent on incarcerating drug users in prison for 30 years. At least my tax dollars are being used to help someone. By the way, I don’t consider marijuana a drug at all. Drugs harm your body, marijuana does not.

  • breathegreen

    Look up the facts if your weary on legalizing it I’m not saying smoke it I’m just saying be educated about it make a smart choice on facts on lies D.A.R.E taught you. It helps it really does. If your upset or stressed why not hit a bong. It won’t hurt your teeth, it not as exspensive as some of the other stuff you do, you know its true.

  • Chris

    I’m tortured by chronic pain from degenerative disc disease, I’ve already tried to use MMJ and it worked amazingly but I was illegally searched and they ruined my life, police lied and it was my word against theirs. They would rather you become addicted to opiates so they can later arrest you for that when the doctors decide to stop providing. I’ve avoided opiated for 29 years since my car accident, only taking when absolutely necessary and even then taking 1/3 the amount. Now the pain has gotten so severe I just suffer in bed all day. When I was using cannabis I lived a full life and there was little pain. I can’t even take NSAIDS due the affect on my heart (chronically using caused a heart attack). Please, begging you to work hard to get medical use approved. This should NOT be schedule one and that is a lie, Marinol is an approved drug and is pure THC so saying that Marijuana has no medical benefit is a complete lie. When will this prohibition end? 1/2 the people in prison are for Marijuana use and the governments make too much money off the imprisonment of people. Just look at Gwinnett county jail and the GA prison system. They have kiosks set up that you have to buy your food from just to survive and the owners of these kiosks are millionaires off the backs of political and medical prisoners!!!!
    LEGALIZE MEDICAL USE NOW!!!!

    • nanernose

      My primary doctor wrote me a prescription for marinol a few years ago not knowing if CVS in Georgia would fill it. I took it in and my insurance of course would not fill it but if I wanted to pay cash it cost over $450.00. I could not afford that but now I wonder if Georgia would have done me like you.

  • nanernose

    I’ve read some of the arguments on this site, the religious, the Georgia stupid, and so on. It comes down to the fact that most of the arguing on this site is more of a smart or stupid argument than a close look for an alternative for pain meds. There are people in Churches I have gone to that are on pain meds for good reasons and not for recreation or to get high. The president of our Sunday School class came to Church in a wheel chair while dying of a brain tumor. I believe marijuana could have relieved his pain. I went to Church till the pain in my back became too great. The only choices given to me was pain meds. If you want to talk about getting high or a buzz lets bring up Xanax. I have known School teachers who could not even show up without having there four a day. My X was one of them. Slurred speech and there but not there.
    Someone can’t come off Xanax or Prozac easy and these drugs are so addictive yet doctors prescribe those drugs left and right. Nobody seems to understand the side effects of pain meds on this site. I took almost all the pain meds on the market for twelve years legally and I can’t begin to explain the side effects on here. It was a nightmare. I had the nerves burned in my back and it really worked for about eight months. Then they grew back. Now I will never take another pain med even if I have to be put in a nursing home. You people just don’t get it. I would like to have just a small portion of each day not to get high but to be able to have some kind of a life for an hour or two each day. I don’t know if Marijuana would help me but I would like to find out. I am desperate to have just a little relief each day. I’m not a dead beat lazy living off the government type. I actually worked for a living. I am the most anti drug person you will ever meet. The drugs offered today and prescribed might be good for some people short term but for people like me looking long term are not good. I’m not wanting to get into a political debate with anyone or a smart or stupid debate because I’m not an educated man like many on here but I do have years of experience dealing with pain. I’m just saying let smarter people than me figure out who should get to try a different med for pain and who should not. All of the drugs today that are prescribed by doctors will be abused and sold illegally and there will always be good and bad people but someone needs to try to figure out how to help people like me. I don’t want to get high because I’m not the smartest guy in the world and I need all the brain cells working that I can. You people going to pain management clinics and the ones telling your doctors your depressed just to get high or to sell the drugs will pay a big price somewhere down the road and you are putting people like me into the same pool with you to the ordinary person. As you can see on this site why there have been no solutions to this issue been made. Why don’t you all set your ego’s aside and look for a solution for legitimate problem?

    • http://churchofsmoke.org/ Jose

      Georgia was one of the first states to legalize medical marijuana. They have been using federal law as a reason for not implementing it while at the same time using state law to ignore federal law regarding benefits to same sex partners in the Georgia National Guard. Georgia is too dumb to see the contradiction.

  • nanernose

    The people on here that have so many post arguing back and forth over things not pertaining to the subject should just instant message and stay on arguing as long as they like. You are just taking up space on this site. Keep to a solution to the people that may need help with pain. It’s obvious to me who on here is just looking for an excuse to get high.

  • nick

    no

  • tracy009

    don’t get worked up for nothing . ga will be among the very last states to make any change in laws on weed,
    medical or recreational

  • tracy009

    don’t get worked up for nothing . ga will be among the very last states to make any change in laws on weed,
    medical or recreational

  • Brooke

    My grandmother has severe fibro-mialgia and hurts every day… Sure would be great for her.

  • John Proctor

    Dude if you don’t have any court dates like I do just smoke it @xakkar:disqus

  • Bruce

    I live in Michigan and we have legal medical marijuana. We’re thinking of moving to Georgia to get into a milder climate.

    That being said, I will continue to use MM to combat my Multiple Sclerosis symptoms.

    I’ve been on opiates on and off for almost 20 years because of nerve pain. No medicine has ever worked as well as medical marijuana. Say what you want about it’s effect on society but I will argue the use of narcotics are much worse. I don’t smoke it, that’s a major health hazard. I usually vaporize it or make brownies. Federal laws trump any state laws, this I understand. But with the abuse of opiate drugs being so dangerous, how could anyone not understand that there IS a natural plant that causes no overdose deaths that actually helps suffering people? The hippies on the 60’s created a stigma about marijuana that is still going on 50 years later. More studies need to be done on how/why this medicine works so well for some people (myself included). I haven’t taken

    any pain meds in the last two years since I started using MM. And my leg/back pain is totally under control, without the horrible addiction of opiates. Common sense people, if it works/helps people in pain, why must it be illegal? To help big pharm keep their billion dollar profits going?

  • Just Saying

    Ignorant people don’t deserve to speak! I’ve read your comments about the Bible Belt state of Georgia never legalizing weed. I also read about the comments about the Christians never legalizing weed. We’ll, truth is Georgia voters, which include the “bible beating Christians”,voted for medical marijuana years ago and then governor Sonny Perdue vetoed the bill. The people of Georgia spoke and the government denied them. Also, the Catholic Church is for legalizing medical marijuana. It was the black community who spoke against the movement because of the crimes in their community in which they blame on drugs. Educate yourselves on politics before speaking about politcs.

  • Just Saying

    Today in the news, Georgia lawmakers discuss medical marijuana. It’s time! And to all of you who have spouted negative comments about backward Georgia and bible beating, in your face!

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  • Steve Carrig

    2nd is the best!

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  • Edward Clay

    ok when GA makes it legal i want to know how its going to b done who’s going to grow it and if u can grow it honestly i wish it would just b decriminalized if u can answer my ? please let me know

  • ky newb

    im smokin this shit cheaper than dispensaries ..girl scout cookie og sd sfv og green crack you name it! i could get a card in a heartbeat with my headaches and anxiety from pain pill abuse in the past..FUCK THE 5 0

  • uberface2014

    I’m 23 and I have been suffering from a severe case of bipolar disorder. I’ve been ridiculed by alot of people saying that is just in my head or that I’m just looking for attention. The truth is far worse. Spend every day of my life not knowing if I’m gonna wake up happy, sad, scared, or angry. I have zero control over my emotions and thoughts. It’s more than just depression it’s pure internal agony and the only thing that has ever properly helped is cannibus. If it can help me, it can help anyone and should be readily available for anyone that needs it.

  • misshhi33

    My husband is prescribed a LARGE AMOUNT of narcotic pain medication to help relieve his acute phantom phantom pain, after losing his , leg above the knee, in the 9/11 American tragedy. Please allow Georgia or South Carolina to sell medical marijuana. We currently drive to Colorado on a regular basis, to purchase the cannabis lollipops, since he is no longer able to smoke it due to his you uvula exploding almost killing him. I really wish law makers would understand the benefits and take away the stigma

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  • Mike

    When I was young I smoked it to get high all the time.

    Now, I have no desire to smoke the marijuana, i would like it in liquid or some form to help with the pain in my head, since my AVM in my brain exploded, causing a blood clot and a lot of brain damage and I had to have brain surgery.

    I suffer from a lot of pain in my head and i take medications for the seizures and the pain.

    I am not looking or wanting to get high, i am looking for relief from the pain so i can sleep and from the anxiety it causes me every day.

    I know they have made much strides with the marijuana, so that there is certain parts they can use for pain relief.

    I do not wish my problem on any one, but until you are in a situation that you did not put yourself in, that just happened, like it did to me at 29 years of age and i am now 55, but most the meds are addicting were the marijuana was not for me as I smoked it for 10 years every day and I mean every day a number of times a day and decided to quit, because I wanted to be straight.

    So it would be nice if I can find a legal item that would relax my brain just so it would make it easier to fall asleep with less pain and anxiety, I would be grateful, as the pain can be very difficult to deal with.

    Mike